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		<title>By: Don&#8217;t Stop Believin&#8217; &#171; Dutch&#8217;s PR DITCH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don&#8217;t Stop Believin&#8217; &#171; Dutch&#8217;s PR DITCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ever increasing amount of my pondering time.  The relevance of PR degrees is a topic that has been much discussed before.  I have always been a strong supporter of the need for the profession to have academic [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Personal Qualities VS PR Degree &#171; PrVillage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Personal Qualities VS PR Degree &#171; PrVillage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] example, Edelman took on seven graduates last year in September. Of their degrees; two were in History, one in English Literature, one in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah Mora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah Mora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 05:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an American (Denver, Colorado) and it seems that I am in the wrong hemisphere. 

I was in school for two years studying marketing/PR. I soon realized that the education I was being fed was worthless and no where near worthy of its high price tag. I left,&quot;I knew everything&quot;, and stared my own company. I then proceeded to fall flat on my face...but I learned so much more in those eight months than my friends with degrees know now. Beyond knowledge, leaving school, failing and still wanting to press on, only helped me confirm my love for the art of communication.

It seems to me that getting into the American marketing/PR/Ad industry is just about having a degree in anything. I literally know of several people with PR firms that didn&#039;t even know what &quot;PR&quot; was short-hand for until the day they submitted a resume! However, they had a degree in agriculture so all is well.

The thing that riles me about this is that so many of these &quot;practitioners&quot; couldn&#039;t care less about the craft, industry or people they represent, it&#039;s simply a job to them.

 I find solace in hoping that there are still some greats in the marketing world that truly just want to be great. The Ogilvy&#039;s, Ayers and Arden&#039;s of the world. Amazing people that hire people that are even more amazing based on their passion, potential and a sense of obligation to produce astounding work for their clients... not because they were willing to sit still and take note for four years.

That&#039;s my two cents.

-Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an American (Denver, Colorado) and it seems that I am in the wrong hemisphere. </p>
<p>I was in school for two years studying marketing/PR. I soon realized that the education I was being fed was worthless and no where near worthy of its high price tag. I left,&#8221;I knew everything&#8221;, and stared my own company. I then proceeded to fall flat on my face&#8230;but I learned so much more in those eight months than my friends with degrees know now. Beyond knowledge, leaving school, failing and still wanting to press on, only helped me confirm my love for the art of communication.</p>
<p>It seems to me that getting into the American marketing/PR/Ad industry is just about having a degree in anything. I literally know of several people with PR firms that didn&#8217;t even know what &#8220;PR&#8221; was short-hand for until the day they submitted a resume! However, they had a degree in agriculture so all is well.</p>
<p>The thing that riles me about this is that so many of these &#8220;practitioners&#8221; couldn&#8217;t care less about the craft, industry or people they represent, it&#8217;s simply a job to them.</p>
<p> I find solace in hoping that there are still some greats in the marketing world that truly just want to be great. The Ogilvy&#8217;s, Ayers and Arden&#8217;s of the world. Amazing people that hire people that are even more amazing based on their passion, potential and a sense of obligation to produce astounding work for their clients&#8230; not because they were willing to sit still and take note for four years.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my two cents.</p>
<p>-Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Sheffrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie Sheffrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jed, what a great debate! 

I&#039;m a final year student at Leeds Met studying PR and am writing my dissertation about how pertinent the knowledge gained on the PR degree is to the development of a PR professional. This debate has definitely brought to light some interesting points. 

With PR being one of the top three career choices for graduates we are competing against a whole array of students. At present I am applying for graduate level PR posts however,  it is hard to tell whether employers prefer those with a PR degree or not.

I agree that PR is a personality and that cannot be taught however, I think that as boring as PR theory may seem it has provided me with a great foundation to becoming a better PR professional. 

Although the degree may not have taught me how to become a practitioner, having a weekly placement has definitely enabled me to understand the industry and put my skills and theory into practice.

If it is possible I would like to include some of the comments to this discussion in my dissertation. Would you mind if I did?

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jed, what a great debate! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a final year student at Leeds Met studying PR and am writing my dissertation about how pertinent the knowledge gained on the PR degree is to the development of a PR professional. This debate has definitely brought to light some interesting points. </p>
<p>With PR being one of the top three career choices for graduates we are competing against a whole array of students. At present I am applying for graduate level PR posts however,  it is hard to tell whether employers prefer those with a PR degree or not.</p>
<p>I agree that PR is a personality and that cannot be taught however, I think that as boring as PR theory may seem it has provided me with a great foundation to becoming a better PR professional. </p>
<p>Although the degree may not have taught me how to become a practitioner, having a weekly placement has definitely enabled me to understand the industry and put my skills and theory into practice.</p>
<p>If it is possible I would like to include some of the comments to this discussion in my dissertation. Would you mind if I did?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very helpful discussion for one like myself who wants to emerge into PR. I am currently in my last year of uni studying a Sport Science and Physical Education degree. So you could say my course has no correlation with PR. But listening to all your comment i now start to believe that there are similarities as in my degree i do look at alot of social issues and media in sport. It is also stated above that you need to have  several personality skill which i again studying my degree you need to be confident in those skill.
Again like thomas mentioned if anyone felt generous enough to enlighten me on the best way to approach PR firms or better still knowledge of firms offering work experience I would be much obliged –</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very helpful discussion for one like myself who wants to emerge into PR. I am currently in my last year of uni studying a Sport Science and Physical Education degree. So you could say my course has no correlation with PR. But listening to all your comment i now start to believe that there are similarities as in my degree i do look at alot of social issues and media in sport. It is also stated above that you need to have  several personality skill which i again studying my degree you need to be confident in those skill.<br />
Again like thomas mentioned if anyone felt generous enough to enlighten me on the best way to approach PR firms or better still knowledge of firms offering work experience I would be much obliged –</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Yaxley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Yaxley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see more focus in PR on lifelong learning as having the degree is only one step on a successful career path. 

We all need to keep developing our skills and knowledge and there are opportunities presented by studying for qualifications, attending training courses or conferences, self-improvement from reading and multimedia, as well as actual practice, and networking, mentoring, etc etc etc.

One problem with the &quot;learn on the job&quot; approach is that it depends who is doing the teaching.  Isn&#039;t it likely that many of the really poor PR practices have survived because these are being passed on by those who are unaware (or don&#039;t care) that there are other, better, ways to achieve the end result?

I&#039;m a fan of post-graduate PR qualifications (like Stuart, I gained the CAM qualifications, and I now teach the CIPR ones).  These help those who have gained experience in PR to add the solid foundations of theoretical principles and best practice research to their existing skills.  As such, these qualifications offer a vital lift into management for many and help demonstrate there is more to PR than having a bubbly personality or being able to craft a press release.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see more focus in PR on lifelong learning as having the degree is only one step on a successful career path. </p>
<p>We all need to keep developing our skills and knowledge and there are opportunities presented by studying for qualifications, attending training courses or conferences, self-improvement from reading and multimedia, as well as actual practice, and networking, mentoring, etc etc etc.</p>
<p>One problem with the &#8220;learn on the job&#8221; approach is that it depends who is doing the teaching.  Isn&#8217;t it likely that many of the really poor PR practices have survived because these are being passed on by those who are unaware (or don&#8217;t care) that there are other, better, ways to achieve the end result?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a fan of post-graduate PR qualifications (like Stuart, I gained the CAM qualifications, and I now teach the CIPR ones).  These help those who have gained experience in PR to add the solid foundations of theoretical principles and best practice research to their existing skills.  As such, these qualifications offer a vital lift into management for many and help demonstrate there is more to PR than having a bubbly personality or being able to craft a press release.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Barbour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly Barbour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 23:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an A.A. in advertising and PR and I am working on a B.S. in PR and a B.A. in journalism and I know it is helping me.  While I could write a press release after graduating with my associates, I had no idea how much of a social science PR is.  I think having a bachelors degree in PR is going to help me learn the skills I need to be a great PR practitioner.  I could pick up chemistry if I was working in a lab, but having a degree in it would help me get better faster.  Just because someone can learn to write a press release doesn&#039;t mean they know all of the skills involved in carrying out a PR campaign.  I have learned how to gather research and put my ideas into fruition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an A.A. in advertising and PR and I am working on a B.S. in PR and a B.A. in journalism and I know it is helping me.  While I could write a press release after graduating with my associates, I had no idea how much of a social science PR is.  I think having a bachelors degree in PR is going to help me learn the skills I need to be a great PR practitioner.  I could pick up chemistry if I was working in a lab, but having a degree in it would help me get better faster.  Just because someone can learn to write a press release doesn&#8217;t mean they know all of the skills involved in carrying out a PR campaign.  I have learned how to gather research and put my ideas into fruition.</p>
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		<title>By: 51 not-very-technical things that every PR person should know &#124; Rock Star PR</title>
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		<dc:creator>51 not-very-technical things that every PR person should know &#124; Rock Star PR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my rather stretched ideas) reached 51 not-very-technical things! I think that given the recent conversations regarding the skills that PR hopefuls should have before they enter the industry, this should [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Natalie Torbett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalie Torbett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow seems a lot of people have an opinion on this.
Everything is relative, if a car mechanic wasn&#039;t shown what a car was then he wouldn&#039;t be able to learn or understand how to fix one.
&quot;Mickey Mouse course&quot; is a term I hear associated with a PR degree quite a lot. This I find very disheartening (as I currently am studying the subject) as most degrees could be seen as only an introduction into a sector and that you really start to learn when you are in the environment. PR is just one of the most recent to be targeted.
PR is a personality yes, but like a personality it has many different attributes due to its involvement in nearly every area of society, thus allowing a wider range of personalities to become involved.

With such negative press how can PR move on and become positively recognised as a profession.

I feel that to give more weight to a PR degree it should include more detailed coverage of subjects like english language and linguistics due to the importance of understanding communications. 
This, i feel, would give it a stronger backbone that would although it to develop further. There is a lot to PR, it just needs to be drawn out and taught more effecitvely.

I love PR with all of its +ves and -ves, it is an area that is only going to grow over the coming years and I plan to be there all the way.

Thoroughly enjoyed reading all of these posts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow seems a lot of people have an opinion on this.<br />
Everything is relative, if a car mechanic wasn&#8217;t shown what a car was then he wouldn&#8217;t be able to learn or understand how to fix one.<br />
&#8220;Mickey Mouse course&#8221; is a term I hear associated with a PR degree quite a lot. This I find very disheartening (as I currently am studying the subject) as most degrees could be seen as only an introduction into a sector and that you really start to learn when you are in the environment. PR is just one of the most recent to be targeted.<br />
PR is a personality yes, but like a personality it has many different attributes due to its involvement in nearly every area of society, thus allowing a wider range of personalities to become involved.</p>
<p>With such negative press how can PR move on and become positively recognised as a profession.</p>
<p>I feel that to give more weight to a PR degree it should include more detailed coverage of subjects like english language and linguistics due to the importance of understanding communications.<br />
This, i feel, would give it a stronger backbone that would although it to develop further. There is a lot to PR, it just needs to be drawn out and taught more effecitvely.</p>
<p>I love PR with all of its +ves and -ves, it is an area that is only going to grow over the coming years and I plan to be there all the way.</p>
<p>Thoroughly enjoyed reading all of these posts!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Smith, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Smith, PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been one of the better discussions I&#039;ve come across. Congratulations to all. As someone who spent 17 years as a journalist on newspapers before entering PR, I&#039;d say a Degree isn&#039;t necessary. But at least a Degree sayd you have the ability to apply yourself to a series of projects, and, depending on the standard of the course, teaches you the basics. However, Degrees that s-t-r-e-t-c-h PR to, say, 16 units are probably flimsy. Folks, there just isn&#039;t that much to PR. Far better to have a mix of business/advertising/marketing/PR. At Notre Dame in Fremantle (Australia) the Degree is a combined Business/PR Degree, and there are only eight PR units. Sensible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been one of the better discussions I&#8217;ve come across. Congratulations to all. As someone who spent 17 years as a journalist on newspapers before entering PR, I&#8217;d say a Degree isn&#8217;t necessary. But at least a Degree sayd you have the ability to apply yourself to a series of projects, and, depending on the standard of the course, teaches you the basics. However, Degrees that s-t-r-e-t-c-h PR to, say, 16 units are probably flimsy. Folks, there just isn&#8217;t that much to PR. Far better to have a mix of business/advertising/marketing/PR. At Notre Dame in Fremantle (Australia) the Degree is a combined Business/PR Degree, and there are only eight PR units. Sensible.</p>
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